Congratulations though on losing 50lbs so that you could give an objective opinion on how a 20lb bike feels to a 150lb person compared to a 200lb person! Oh, and the personal attacks are just unnecessary. I was trying to have a constructive argument here, and I never once made assumptions about you, your riding skill, or your knowledge of bikes. I am very confident in my own knowledge, and skill, and I do not feel the need to prove myself to anyone. My argumentative tone on the internets is only meant to heat up the discussion and elicit a response. "Tool, Noobie, Weight Weenie, Poser, Pansy, Braindead"! Those are strong words. You must be a very angry individual. You do not know me, and I assure you that your assumptions are way off.

BrigadierBuege, the term originates in the ski and snowboard world, but can be applied to most action sports. "A gaper is a skiier or snowboarder who is completely clueless. Usually distiungished by their bright colored clothes and a gaper gap, the gap between goggles and a helment/hat." -Urban Dictionary Basically a tourist out of their element gaping in amazement about what is going on around them, not realizing they are standing right in the landing of a jump about to ruin their day and mine. @rrfr: The tool I carry is a Specialized EMT Multitool, so I think calling it a multitool is appropriate. Do you disagree? Yes, allens are almost the only thing you need these days, but having a torx wrench, phillips, and especially an integrated chain tool in a small lightweight package have helped me out on many occasions. My bike is 38lbs stock. I did not have to strive to reach that weight, I just had to save for a year and spend my hard earned money on what I feel is the most important thing I own. My bike is worth much more than my car! You may be comfortable on a 55lb downhill bike, but I am not. Like it or not, that extra 17lbs is definitely holding you back. No, I don't ride long distances. I was very clear about the fact that I don't ride XC, which is why I don't see water bottle cages on the trails. Do DH riders in other areas rock water bottle cages? Do any DH bikes even have a water bottle mount?

I'm assuming from the lack of reply that I have won this argument.

No personal attack intended. My bad. All I'm saying is that if I was someone random people recognized, I would not enjoy the attention at all, and would act like a dick to avoid talking to random dudes. I would talk to all the girls, even the ugly ones. As we all know, with girls; acting like a dick always works. Girls love dicks.

Ok, First off, I am far from a weight weenie. I actually only ride DH, and I'm perfectly happy with a 38lb TR250. I wouldn't even consider a regular Mojo, the HD would be the lightest bike I would ever ride. I haven't seen a water bottle on any of the trails I ride in years. Good point about everyone not having water on their rides. Living in Colorado and Wyoming over the last 10 years, I haven't been on a single ride that didn't have a clean fresh water source, so I apologize for not considering other locations. Man, that must suck to not have any water around! I would much rather have the water on my back rather than on the frame. I think you will feel the weight more if it's on the bike, making the bike feel less flickable. For hitting lips and throwing whips I wouldn't want the extra weight on the bike. Does a 30lb bike feel different if the rider is 150lbs or 200lbs? Most of my laps are quick, so usually I don't have a pack, or a bottle. Also, If I'm doing a longer lap that involves a climb to the top, I'm going to have a pack with a multi-tool, pump, tube, lighter, and supplies anyway. Aside from that, having a water bottle cage on your bike screams to me that you are a gaper!

If I was on his level, I would also have big ego, and I wouldn't give guys like you or me the time of day. Just being honest. So yes, I think being a sick rider entitles a person to have a big ego, and we should not expect any less.

My fox 36 float 180mm is flawless, and I don't see how it could be improved. I have heard that Marzocchi products are quality again, but there were few years when their products were so bad, they turned me off to the company altogether. I've always had great success with Fox and Rockshox products and customer service.

There has to be some truth to the rumors. I would be willing to bet they are done. They just haven't kept up with the other big brands, and now there are companies like x-Fusion that are shaking up the game also.

Spend $6000 to have a bike as light as possible, then throw a heavy water bottle on there? A 16oz water bottle adds a pound of weight. Here's a better idea: Throw a few water purification tablets in your pack. Chances are, there is water somewhere on your ride. Now, if you are trying to ride without a pack altogether, I can see the rationale for a water bottle.

20mm more travel and a 67 degree head angle on the HD vs. a 69 Degree head angle on the SL. It's worth the effort because I would never even consider a bike with a 69 degree head angle, compared to the HD which I think is the best all mountain bike on the market. Even watching this video, it is clear that his riding style is much more comfortable on the HD. Throw an angle set on there to get a 66 degree head angle and you have a bike you can ride for everything.

I thought for sure I would finally see one of these guys wearing gloves when winter and dirtbikes were mentioned, but still no! Can anyone explain why? Is there any condition that would convince the Coastal Crew to wear gloves?